withintheshadowofthetree.myfreeforum.org Forum Index withintheshadowofthetree.myfreeforum.org
Within The Shadow Of The Tree
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   Join! (free) Join! (free)  
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Copyright and Film Festival Question

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    withintheshadowofthetree.myfreeforum.org Forum Index -> Indie Movies Discussion & Promotion
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Please Register and Login to this forum to stop seeing this advertsing.






Posted:     Post subject:

Back to top
Left Eye Dominant



Joined: 09 Aug 2005
Posts: 55


Location: Roma, Italia

PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:46 pm    Post subject: Copyright and Film Festival Question Reply with quote

Hi Carl,

Maybe you can answer this question (or anyone else): I have a friend who has put together some videos with some music he has composed. The video footage has been taken from various DVD"s, ie none of it is original material. His films are really cool and I have suggested that he enter then into some film festivals. Problem is he is worried about copyright issues because he is using other people"s material. I reckon he might be OK as long as he is only entering film festivals and is not trying to sell or broadcast his work (I think he, like me is trying to tout his work as a composer rather than a film-maker).

I have Googled but have not been able to come up with a definitive answer. Any ideas or pointers?

Ta

LED
_________________
http://www.soundclick.com/lefteyedominant

http://grande.hysterie.googlepages.com/home

http://jmorris.led.googlepages.com/home
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Carl B Harrison



Joined: 22 Jul 2005
Posts: 1491


Location: UK

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi LED,
Copyright is a weird thing.
Even with the permission of the person who made the film, you may not be able to use it, as they themselves probably don't own the rights to it.

At the beginning of each video & DVD it stipulates, not to be shown........ and it then lists all the places where group gatherings would infringe copyright and I know for definite a film festival is a group gathering & usually they ask, that all things such as music and images have the copyright sorted, you usually sign something to say you have done so.

Some info that might be useful.
http://www.artslaw.com.au/ArtLaw/Archive/04RightsinOldFilms.asp
http://www.movlic.com/copyschool.html

If you are desperate and do want to try, here is a good place to start.
http://www.copyright.com/ccc/do/v...mp;WT.srch=1&WT.mc_id=google1

Hope your friend gets it sorted.
_________________

http://www.withintheshadowofthetree.com/
Carl B Harrison
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
nige



Joined: 01 Aug 2005
Posts: 117


Location: UK

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carl,

Those links refer to the Australian and US copyright laws respectively.
I've managed to find these links referencing UK law

General site ok UK law - http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/

Fact sheet - http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Carl B Harrison



Joined: 22 Jul 2005
Posts: 1491


Location: UK

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank's Nige, but that info is for copyrighting your own work. The question was if he used other peoples work, the links I gave were just a base line, considering he talked about Film Festivals and most Film Festivals are all over the world, so the two points of views I give him were to just give him some insight. If you looked at the other link, it gives you the opportunity to try and get copyright permission, not copyright your own work.
_________________

http://www.withintheshadowofthetree.com/
Carl B Harrison
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
nige



Joined: 01 Aug 2005
Posts: 117


Location: UK

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a section on the site about seeking permission

http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p13_permission

True festivals are international, but is there a page on international copyright? I would have thought it comes down to the laws of the country the festival is in. Also since it is produced in the UK I would expect it would have to adhere to UK law otherwise he'd be breaking the law before he even showed it?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Carl B Harrison



Joined: 22 Jul 2005
Posts: 1491


Location: UK

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you. I'm actually grateful to you because you have unwittingly stumbled on the complex nature of copyright law and how it applies inside and outside of the UK. It cannot have esacaped your notice that LED lives and works in Italy. Therefore UK copyright law is hardly relevent to him. So, going back to the point I spelt out earlier, LED's friend (presuming that he also lives in Italy) needs to obtain some form of permission to use the movie clips etc. Are we both agreed on that point?
_________________

http://www.withintheshadowofthetree.com/
Carl B Harrison
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
nige



Joined: 01 Aug 2005
Posts: 117


Location: UK

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually hadn't noticed LED was in Italy.
Suppose in that case in comes down to Itallian copyright law and probably European law just to confuse matters even more.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Left Eye Dominant



Joined: 09 Aug 2005
Posts: 55


Location: Roma, Italia

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to both Nige and Carl for the links. Just to throw confusion into the mix, my friend actually lives in Holland. If he lived in Italy (which could certainly be described as a less civilised country than either Holland or the UK) and entered a film into an Italian festival there would be no probs. Any law in Italy (and I do quite literally mean ANY law) can be easily bypassed by a swift backhander to a greaser in an Armani Emporio suit.

But seriously folks, thanks for the help..... I am off to research your links now.
_________________
http://www.soundclick.com/lefteyedominant

http://grande.hysterie.googlepages.com/home

http://jmorris.led.googlepages.com/home
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Left Eye Dominant



Joined: 09 Aug 2005
Posts: 55


Location: Roma, Italia

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nige wrote:
Actually hadn't noticed LED was in Italy.
Suppose in that case in comes down to Itallian copyright law and probably European law just to confuse matters even more.


Sorry Nige, that"s my fault... had not entered my location, location, location into my profile..... corrected Embarassed
_________________
http://www.soundclick.com/lefteyedominant

http://grande.hysterie.googlepages.com/home

http://jmorris.led.googlepages.com/home
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Jonny



Joined: 23 Jul 2005
Posts: 566



PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copyright issues

Your friend should just grab a camera and shoot something himself, he would have no copyright problems and he probably would have more fun doing it.
_________________


Jonny H
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Left Eye Dominant



Joined: 09 Aug 2005
Posts: 55


Location: Roma, Italia

PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonny wrote:
Copyright issues

Your friend should just grab a camera and shoot something himself, he would have no copyright problems and he probably would have more fun doing it.


Agreed.... he has done this also, however he has written a fantastic orchestral piece and used images from WWII (taken a WWII documentary). The juxtaposition works brilliantly and it would be a tragedy if no-one gets to see this work.

Best

LED
_________________
http://www.soundclick.com/lefteyedominant

http://grande.hysterie.googlepages.com/home

http://jmorris.led.googlepages.com/home
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Jonny



Joined: 23 Jul 2005
Posts: 566



PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds to good to waste, could he not show it online, maybe the copyright laws are different if he did it that way. Question



_________________


Jonny H
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    withintheshadowofthetree.myfreeforum.org Forum Index -> Indie Movies Discussion & Promotion All times are GMT + 1 Hour
Page 1 of 1

Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

Card File  Gallery  Forum Archive
Powered by phpBB © 2001 phpBB Group

Chronicles phpBB2 theme by Jakob Persson (http://www.eddingschronicles.com). Stone textures by Patty Herford.
Create your own free forum | Buy a domain to use with your forum