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| oddbodd |
Spider-man 3One of the best things about the first of the modern Spider-man films was its colour. Just like a good comic strip, there was colour everywhere, vivid and bold. Of course, that wasn't the film's only merit, but it was one of the things, for me at least, that put it at the top of the pile of recent superhero movies. This film, however, is much darker, not only visually but also in the storyline. But that isn't a problem at all.We see something of a bad side of the radioactive-blooded crime-fighter, and not quite in the way that I was imagining. One of the first films that remember watching is Superman III, where our DC friend turns bad and causes all manner of problems around the world. I was expecting some of that, but it wasn't quite so predictable. To be honest, it doesn't seem top start off well, and even my suspension of disbelief was tested at times, and I even spotted a badly-hidden platform under a thin layer of sand, pretending to be a whole tank of it. It got better, however. The inclusion of three baddies (Sandman, Venom and Green Goblin Part Deux) added a bit more action than there might have been. Peter Parker's turn to the dark side was quite impressive (Tobey Maguire suits the bad-boy look). Unlike Superman, his bad side was more a persona of arrogance and pretension, strutting around new york like a gothic Austin Powers. The addition of Gwen Stacey is somewhat tokenish, but at least we still have Mary Jane. I think this film was better than the second, perhaps not as good as the first, but the trology might be worth a look when they inevitably come oput on DVD. |
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| hisomuhito |
While I enjoyed the movie for the most part I did think it dragged badly in places and was very over sentimental. There was one part in particular where spidey swings in front of a star and stripes which almost made me puke because it was so blatantly "Go USA!". The action and effects are good, mistakes not withstanding, but I felt the story could have been better.
Also Mary Jane is really starting to annoy me. |
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| Chloe |
Great a love story i guess you dont like the US then. |
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| hisomuhito |
Well its got the love triangle aspect in it but I think a love story would be over stating it a bit.
Its not the US as such its just the way they go on about it being such a great country all the time when iti sn't. What got me with the flag in the movie is it was totally unecessary. It added nothing to the story other than to remind the people watching that spidey is an American hero. I'm not saying he isn't but they didn't need to remind us in such an obvious way. |
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| Carl B Harrison |
Managed to get to see it yesterday and I have to say it's a well crafted movie on all levels. I understand Sam Raimi's sence of humour isn't to everyones taste but ever since Evil Dead, Herc and Xena I just go with it.
With a little mustache, evil Parker would have been the spitting image of Hitler. 
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| Take No Crap |
f***ing haytd tis 1. 2 mutch of a luv story. tat mary jane wants a f***ing gud slaping. | ||||||
| oddbodd |
Did you notice that they employed a similar thing in 28 Weeks Later? You see flames reflecting off Nelson's Column for a small while, and to me that's the same misplaced patriotism, pretence of greatness and unnecessary nods to national heritage. |
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| hisomuhito |
The difference with that thought was it was done when everything was going to hell and all hope had been lost. It was in a way symbolising the death of a nation. Where as in Spidey it was more like "America swings in to save the day yet again" . At last that was my take on it anyway. |
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| Chloe |
I thought this was fab. Dont know much about the comic versions, but this was well done. Yes, there is a bit of a love story, but it works. Venom and Sandman are great baddys. I think this is properly the best one. Cant wait for number 4.
I think H is being a bit over critical, or does he just hate superheroes? |
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| oddbodd |
I think he hates using his imagination
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| hisomuhito |
My imagination is fine, its more the superhero thing I have a problem with. Saying that I did enjoy the first X-Men movie. | ||||||
| Wolf |
Excelsior! 
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| oddbodd |
Fair enough, but for what reason? I love 'em. |
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| Carl B Harrison |
 Marvel Ultimate Alliance
Intro del videojuego Marvel Ultimate Alliance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu3PVv-yFnw |
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| Chloe |
Sounds like you have a limited imagination to me. You like Heroes yet you hate the super hero thing. Dur! Not a lot of difference. |
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| Big Brother Fan |
 Where's a HERO when you need one
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| hisomuhito |
Actually there is a hell of a lot of difference. The characterisation, plot, quality of writing, the different ways the heroes deal with their new found ability to name but a few of them. I suppose when it comes down to it I find the typical superhero stories a bit repetive and one dimensional. Heroes has much more depth to it. If the fact I like clever storytelling means I have limited imagination then fair enough. |
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| Wolf |
Stan Lee has a brief appearance in the next episode of Heroes as the bus driver in the last 5 minutes or so.
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| oddbodd |
I have Stan Lee's autograph. It rocks. |
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| Carl B Harrison |
Green With Envy 
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| Chloe |
Duh! Thats what Smallville is about, young Superman learning to develop his powers and back story of how he back the greatest hero of them all yet you hate that. |
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| Henry Bates |
No theres not a lot of diffence. I guess H youve never read, or only read a few comics when you were young. If you look at a lot of the characters in Marvel and DC comics youll see they have great back stories, etc. Look at the origins of the X-men, Spiderman, Batman, Superman, etc. Heroes isnt clever writing. Its just using a format that has been used in comics for years, but adapted for TV. |
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| hisomuhito |
I've not read a lot of American comics but have read a lot of Manga and do read a lot in general.
I'm sure the comics do go into more detail and have more intricate plots. but m comments above were pretty much directed at super heroes in TV and movies since that is what this topic was focused on. In general they all seem to follow the same basic plot structure and are very cliche'd. Heroe's put a different spin on things compared to what I'd seen before. I.E. normal people with special abilities who don't really want to get involved but get drawn into things regardless. Like most good books I've read its the journey which is the most interesting part of the story, not the beginning or end. The journey's the characters in Heroes go through is frankly more interesting that the usual "ooh I've got super powers, I know I'll dress up in a funny suit and start saving people". |
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| Krytens featherduster |
I met Stan 15 years ago when he was doing a book signing tour at Forbidden Planet and I got two books autographed. |
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